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19th September 2005 at 04:19 #41297M.ThyagarajanGuest
if you don’t want any complications u should go for 1X1 . As 1X3 requires a bit of planning it needs to be done carefully.
M.Thyagarajan19th September 2005 at 04:39 #41298Wilibrordus HerbowoGuest
but we still to consider MAIO + HSN management, to avoid MAIO + HSN interference.
thanks19th September 2005 at 11:57 #41299M.ThyagarajanGuest
maio plan is straight forward as it depends on the trx configuration.
HSN is easy to plan as we have 63 in number20th September 2005 at 04:12 #41300GunjanGuest
CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN ME HOW DOES SYNTHSIZER FREQUENCY HOPPING WORKS OR WHERE CAN I FIND DOCUMENTS ON THE INTERNET20th September 2005 at 05:37 #41301moreGuest
in synthisizer hop there is tuning process to order TRX transmit in different freq through wide band combiner,becuse the freq is tuned over diff freq (wide BW).so there is one link from TRX to one combiner and tuning link.
Considering this the other methodology is base band hop (switching the TRX to different number of combiner, any combiner transimit on individual permanent frequency).20th September 2005 at 05:46 #41302joodGuest
when we need to specify synth freq hopping we say SFH yxk. just like 1×1, 1×2, 2×2.
so y number for what??
k number for what ??
is it for MAIO, or no of MA, OR WHAT ????
regards21st September 2005 at 05:12 #41303wilibrordus herbowoGuest
1×2 mean number of sites and number if cell.
1 = number site
2 = number of cells.
MAIO is in the MA LIST. (choose 1)
HSN = 0 – 6424th September 2005 at 06:12 #41304joodGuest
Kindly,I wonder what is the minimum no of freq allocated for hopping pattern (MA).to get efficent interference reduction at 900MHZ(in/out door). is it 10freq or less.
thanks in advance27th September 2005 at 16:42 #41305BOBOOGuest
The BBH : The number of hopping frequency is equal to the number of TRX
the more TRX you have, better it is to avoid interference
BBH coud be handle by RTC combiner. This combiner could combine 6 DRX with 3dB insertion loss. BS_TxPower_max with RTC is greater than BS_TXPowerMax with Hybrid combiner (SFH case).
I’ve got good results with BBH with Nokia
If you have only 2 DRX pe rsector, it’s not enough to avoid interference (go to SFH).
SFH : The number of hopping frequency depends to the MAL, MAIO.
if you have 2 TRX by sector, you could hope with all frequency contained on the MAL to avoid interference.
Only Hybrid combiner could handle SFH. This kind of combiner, combine only 4 DRX with 3 dB of insertion loss. If you set more DRX your insertion loss shift from 3 to 6 dB. Decrease of BS_TX_Power_max. maybe, it doesn’t matter in urban dense area.
I hope I could help anyone.
BOBOO28th September 2005 at 06:42 #41306joodGuest
what about Co filling on synthesizer is it allowed me to hop on other TSs in BCCH freq, OR WHAT ????30th September 2005 at 12:03 #41307NishantGuest
Can anyone explain me the baseband and synthesized frequency hopping with respect to sectors and what is MAO,MAIO and HSN ?hOW IT PLAYS IT,S ROLE IN FREQUENCY HOPPING?????4th October 2005 at 09:50 #41308BobooGuest
I found an exemple in SFH with nortel. I hope it wiil be clear.
MA: Mobile Allocation (list of hopping frequencies for a TRX)
MAIO: Mobile Allocation Index Offset between 0 and (Nb of Freq in MA – 1).
F1: BCCH frequency
HSN : Hopping Sequence Number
TS 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
TDMA 0 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1 F1
TDMA 1 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MAIO = 0
TDMA 2 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MAIO = 2
TDMA 3 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MA0 MAIO = 4
TDMA 0 is mapping on TRX 0
TDMA 1 is mapping on TRX 1
TDMA 2 is mapping on TRX 2
TDMA 3 is mapping on TRX 3
So there is 4 TRX. TDMA0 don’t hop because it’s the TDMA with BCCH. BCCH equal to F1.
MA is the same for all TRX. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 for exemple.
TDMA 1 hop with the frequency in the MA without offset(MAIO). So It’s 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,
TDMA 2 hop with the frequency in the MA with an offset equal to 2. So it’s 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,
TDMA 3 hop with the frequency in the MA with an offset equal to 2. So it’s 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2
In this case the HSN is equal to 0. the hopping sequency is not a random sequence.
It’s an pedagogic exemple. It’s just a way to understand how does it work. According to my experience, there are one HSN & on MAIO by sector. So You could apply this strategy on site level if you implement the same MA by sector with different HSN & MAIO
I hope it’s a bit more clear
Boboo.5th October 2005 at 08:35 #41309wilibrordus herbowoGuest
assume = no Guardband
we have channel freq 1 – 50
1-29 channel is for BCCH
30 – 50 channel is for Hop channel
S1 MA LIST = 30 – 36
S2 MA LIST = 37 – 43
S3 MA LIST = 44 – 50
those 7 channel called MA LIST.
exp : configuration 3/3/3
for TRX1 = BCCH
for MAIO2 = 30
for MAIO3 = 32
for MAIO4 = 34
maybe it can help you5th October 2005 at 09:21 #41310M.ThyagarajanGuest
It is stupid not to have any guard band.This can lead to a lot of quality problems if implemented.
From 30 to 50 we have 21 hopping freq which can give you 10 hopping freq so we can have 5+4+4 as max configuration
Same is the case with 31 to 50 with 20 hopping channels5th October 2005 at 13:20 #41311zGuest
Hows ur planning going on…..