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SDCCH Assignment Failures

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  • #50251 Reply
    Gm
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    Hi all. We have an issue in our network where we get random huge spikes for a couple of hours of SDCCH assignment attempts, and they end up in failures (T3101 expiration). This happens mostly on rural sites.

    For example we might have 6000 SDCCH attempts a day, of which 5800 is successful. One other day though we might get 10000 attempts of which again 5800 are successful and this is due to the fact that for a couple of hours we had a spike of SDCCH attempts where all of those extra attempts failed due to T3101 timer expiration.

    This effect does not seem to affect customer experience, I’m just wondering why it might happen.

    Any ideas?

    Thanks

    #50252 Reply
    pix
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    what hour is the peak of “dummy” SDCCH assignments ?

    what is the cause of failure ?
    CONGESTION :
    you might experience massive Location Updates due to a site from another operator that becomes unavailable. All subscribers reselect your site for a while, creating a massive SDCCH congestion

    RADIO :
    1/ some external equipments (army radar, jammers, etc.) generate fake “RACH” Channel Request, that are “failed”, because the BTS sends an immediate assignment command, but there is no answer from this external equipment (that’s normal)

    2/ BTS failure : the BTS generates electromagnetic noise that’s decoded as a channel requests…

    That might give you some idea of investigation : check the type of sdcch assignment (for LU, for call, for reestab, for SMS ???)

    check the cause of failure (radio, hardware, congestion ???)

    check other counters (RACH counts, channel activation, channel activation ack, immediate assignment, etc.)

    Regards,
    Pix

    #50253 Reply
    Gm
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    The cells don’t get congested and the failures appear like they are phantom RACH but the question is why are there spikes of SDCCH attempts. If it was due to phantom RACCH there wouldn’t be a spike would it?

    #50254 Reply
    pix
    Guest

    ghost RACH can be caused to external devices. If an army plane or an army boat is around at that time, you’ll measure high ghost rach.

    Check what kind of events is occurring in the area of the cell.

    Regards,
    Pix

    #50255 Reply
    Gm
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    The failures are happening on channel requests due to cause000, which is due to either location updates (0000) or other reasons (0001). The problem is that the counters on both vendor’s equipment our network utilises do not distinguish between the two..That means it could be as pix said due to failed BTSs from other operators and reselection to our network for location updates or for any other reason (ghost rach)…

    #50256 Reply
    Pix
    Guest

    Ghost RACH are random, so for each ghost RACH, the field “CAUSE” contains a random value. Can be 1111, 0011, 0101.. etc. If it was ghost RACH, you would see an equal distribution of each type of RACH cause.

    therefore, it looks like it is LU from roaming MS’s. But why are they failed ? I have to re-read the 3GPP, but I thought a roaming MS is allowed perform a LU in a cell : SDCCH assignment, SDCCH allocated. And during the SDCCH phase (DTAP messages MS-MSC about authentication, etc.) if the MS cannot camp on this network, the LU will be rejected.
    What I mean is that the rejection is not performed at the RACH reception (but thi is as far as I think !! this needs to be confirmed… anyone ??)

    Regards,
    Pix

    #50257 Reply
    Bassam
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    Hi to all
    please ,any body can tell me what is the meaning of “phantom RACH phenomina” ?

    Regards

    #50258 Reply
    pix
    Guest

    electromagnetic noise that is decoded as a channel request.

    #50259 Reply
    malira
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    I have found this problem in my network (Alcatel)also. Yes, the successful is almost same as the normal situation but huge attempts and failures.
    The type of assignment that increases during that time is IMSI detached.
    Do you have any idea about this?

    Thank you for your answer. 🙂

    BRs,

    #50260 Reply
    Phantom
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    In Alcatel , How can we know that SD Failure ‘s caused from Ghost RACH ? . I means what’s BSS counter name MC74.. or any?

    #50261 Reply
    Pix
    Guest

    Malira,

    a lot of IMSI detach ? and most of them are failed ? (= sdcch assign fail radio ?)

    that is strange… can’t help sorry.

    if you want you can send me a RNO report by mail. pix _ erlang at yahoo dot fr.

    #50262 Reply
    Pix
    Guest

    Phantom,

    No, it doesn’t work like this 🙂 The SDCCH Assign Fail due to Radio can be caused by ghost rach, but not only. There is no dedicated counter for ghost rach.

    regards,
    pix

    #50263 Reply
    Phantom
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    What time is there Pix , I think you r sleeping

    Thank you for answer Pix, so , Can we distinguish the cause of LU from Couter ? because I knew that LU
    will be done while MS is in Idle mode ( Periodic,Difference LAC,Power ON)

    Because as I observed , often SD failure came from LU , I found that it appeared everyday around 1am to 6 am. and disapeared after that

    #50264 Reply
    christian
    Guest

    hi pix any solution of RBS2206 all site encounter a fault of RX diversity lost and RX path A or B imbalance. Cn you help me with regard this fault. Can you send it to my email?

    thank you

    christian philippines

    #50265 Reply
    pix
    Guest

    Christian: Sorry, I work with alcatel only, not … RBS (Ericsson??)

    Phantom,

    You can see the split of SDCCH allocation types here (below)

    but those are succesful SDCCH allocation .. a sdcch allocation failure is not succesful (duh !!), so you cant know whether the original rach was asking for LU or MO or MT, etc.

    FYI, a ghost rach = 1 SDCCH_assign_fail_radio ( SDNAFLRN )

    (in RNO > Indicators)
    —–
    Family : Traffic model
    Subfamily : main
    —–
    SDCCH_traffic_moc_rate ( TMMOCER )
    SDCCH_traffic_Call_reestab_rate ( TMMOCRR )
    SDCCH_traffic_imsi_detach_rate ( TMMOLUDR )
    SDCCH_traffic_lu_for_rate ( TMMOLUFR )
    SDCCH_traffic_lu_rate ( TMMOLUR )
    SDCCH_traffic_sms_mo_rate ( TMMOSMSR )
    SDCCH_traffic_ss_mo_rate ( TMMOSSR )
    SDCCH_traffic_other_mo_rate (

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